Pioneer AV Receivers VSX-451 VSX-816. One Remote $50 for both OBO The Remote alone may be worth that. Both are multi input AV receivers. Both power up, tune, indicate as you scroll thru inputs and other features. Both have issue with Amp Output. 451: Center output seems good and loud, but is MONO. Rear L R works, but may be half power. Front A and B, L and R no volume. 816: Volume displays as above+ and below- ZERO. Can hear stations at low volume, below -30. Above -30, goes into OVERLOAD and audio cuts out. See pics. See my other ads. If you don't see what you're looking for in my other ads, ask about it as I may have it or can get it. Please reply with your name and cell # Thanks